The Burning Times
(revisited)
Facilitator : Annwyn
Date : 17 March 1996

Morrigan:

MERRY MEET, AND WELCOME TO WICCA 101! THIS EVENINGS CLASS WILL BE HOSTED BY ANNWYN. HER TOPIC IS THE BURNING TIMES.

PLEASE KEEP ALL MM, BB, AND MPs AND SIDE CONVERSATIONS IN IM DURING CLASS.

DISRUPTERS WILL BE WARNED ONCE AND THEN EXCLUDED.

In case of disaster {g} could one or two of you who plan on attending the entire class please log as back up?

Warmuth:

I don't know how to take that (G)

keen:

can we begin please

jomoma564:

all rightie Song talk 2 you later

SongSpring:

Rhod... that stuff needs to be saved for another time.

Burningwolf:

....logging on....

SongSpring:

and another forum.

jomoma:

ok

Morrigan:

IF WE ALL TAKE OUR SEATS, ANNWYN WILL BEGIN

SongSpring:

{s applause} ANNWYN!

forestdragon:

{takes a seat}

RayneDancer:

i will log

ANNWYN:

I don't know if some of you were aware, but Bonnie Vernik

SongSpring:

{-logging as well

forestdragon:

what is log

keen:

yea clapping

Albatros:

sup room?

Morrigan:

Please settle down and allow Annwyn to begin

ANNWYN:

from the Witch's Anti Discrimination League was supposed to join us tonight. She had scheduling problems, but hopes to be here another time. In the mean time you will find info on the WADL on the BB under Help Needed. She visits our boards often and would like to keep the lines of communication open for those who need help. You can Email her from there if you wish to remain confidential

SongSpring:

:::raises hand:::

ANNWYN:

Yes Song

SongSpring:

Is this the Wicca BBS? here?

ANNWYN:

Yeah...it's newly posted.. I think it is under Help:... I'll double check...

SongSpring:

ok, thanks!

ANNWYN:

For tonight I have prepare a LOOONNGGG version.. and a short version.. teehee

ANNWYN:

Fortunately I have decided to do the short one...

Nestor:

lol

Red Deer:

lol

ANNWYN:

But I will add information later this week on the BB

Don't laugh Nes.. even the short one is long{G}

Nestor:

roflmao

ANNWYN:

Firstly I would like to emphasize... this is NOT about establishing hatred between Witches and Christians. This would not be the proper topic anyway.. because if you do your research you will find that many of the atrocities performed under the guise of witch trials were actually performed AGAINST xians by their own

keen:

==============RAISES HANDS WILDLY==================

ANNWYN:

There are many good sources on this topic...and I encourage you to read further... a very good short version is Buckland's "Witchcraft from the Inside"

Keen what?

keen:

When do we learn advanced Witchcraft?

ANNWYN:

Starhawk in Spiral Dance also gives a brief synopsis.

Keen when you are ready you will.

I am using ideas from Pennethorne Hugh's "Witchcraft". I also used just a basic encyclopedia hoping to get an insight from a non witchy source

RayneDancer:

didn't Starhawk say the witches harbored the Jews during the holocaust?

ANNWYN:

The encyclopedia agrees that these times were horrific and unjustified, verifying that in general the trials were about a paranoid and greedy church system purging its own dissidents while crying witch. The trials were really about DIFFERENCE not witchcraft.

cadman:

ANN do you have any material such as Greek concordance?

ANNWYN:

We know what we ourselves hold true as witches but during the trials.. literally anyone who was not for the beliefs of what the church was espousing at that particular time and there views changed considerably over the several hundred years that this went on but any one against them was a heretic as the hysteria progressed...heretic.. became synonymous with Witch.

We all know the problem of defining witch.. and certainly during the trials it was widely used to describe all manner of folk performing all kinds of evil deeds or at least accused of such perhaps this is the way we are currently most effected by the trials. The bad press we received then.. the misperceptions followed us right through the centuries... creating fear and misunderstanding. For the first 1000 years or so the Old Religion basically lived along side xianity mainly because the church enjoyed success and prosperity and was relatively unchallenged.

Although ancient cultures were against "witchcraft" the laws formed at that time were more against use of magic for political conspiracy rather that for the craft itself. In 373 ad.. a campaign began against "magic" but not the witchcraft that later became recognized as the work of the devil. This was mainly because at that time the DEVIL himself was not clearly defined by the church and was not until the Toledo council in 447ad

SongSpring:

may I add something about Christians and Pagans living in harmony quickly here Annwyn??

CynaraMac:

Please Song

ANNWYN:

please hold till end Song

Morrigan:

yes, let's hold discussion until Ann calls for it please

SongSpring:

ok

ANNWYN:

Although we do not acknowledge the Devil.. traditional European society accepted the definition of Witchcraft to include worship of the Devil and brining harm to others. The GOOD works - the ability to perform rites to increase and help were relegated only to the church that was the only recognized MAGIC and one could pay for it and the priests would petition the saints for intervention. The original precept of the Inquisition was to stop HERESY. Heresy comes from a Greek word meaning "TO CHOOSE". Ironically our own religion is based on "free will".. the ability to choose for one's self. Heresy is to choose to willfully reject the normative doctrines of a group by a member of that group. We were not members but chose not to believe as the church and were heretics.

During the trials.. heresy became also the intellectual process of guilty defiance of the ALMIGHT AND HIS VICAR ON earth again what was not pro Catholic church belonged to the Devil...witchcraft was a tool of the Devil. This meant a terrible end for Magicians that summoned demons (= devil) to assist in their work. Many whose rituals actually were performed in a devoutly religious framework...stressing spiritual purity and devotion to God and for Pagans...just simply for not being xian. Of course this included any that threatened the authority and financial stability of the church.

Those that performed magic were generally well educated and well to do and as time passed learned to be more secretive. We probably have them to thank for some of the info that survived. The pagans who still felt much of their livelihood really relied on their rites...and worshipped more openly and more overtly were easily identified and prosecuted.

For the sake of time I am taking license to overlay what actually occurred over several hundred years. The details are very intricate and mutable as each phase of the trials passed there were basically 3 waves of the trials...and the first being based from the church itself...the cry of witch was used simply as a battle slogan to increase empathy. People believed that the only way out was through death and thus salvation. They believed that only a few would actually even accomplish this and in order to hedge their bets so to speak would do any thing sanctioned by the church... even turn in their own neighbor for the noble cause. The trials roughly run a time frame of about 1050 ad to 1750 ad - a long reign of terror anyway you look at it.

The inquisition began in the 13 century and continued through the time we are most concerned with. It is interesting to note that primarily the trials were focused in Germany and Switzerland though eventually they spread through the continent and Britain. The Malleus Maleficarum (Hammer of Sorceresses) appeared in Germany in 1486 following an order by Pope Innocent the IV. This specifically condemned WITCHCRAFT. That the Malleus gave specific rules as to what was witchcraft and what was not, probably was also because the Devil was very clever. It stated how to interrogate.. with guidelines for torture... and the demise of those guilty. This was enforced by Civil law...with the heads of state firmly clasping that of church

SongSpring:

Yes, and it is currently being reprinted and redistributed recently! I was alarmed to see it in a prominent position in a friends book catalogue!

ANNWYN:

Remember still we have Heretic and Witch as the same. So early Protestants found themselves guilty of WITCHCRAFT. And later when they had become established...there new legs still unsturdy...themselves became accusers.

An estimated 9 million died in the trials. The height was between 1580 and 1660. The dead were tried as well as the living...though I am assuming they were not included in those numbers{G}. The last official trial was in Scotland.. in the 18th century. It was remember heresy not to believe in witchcraft...and questioning the trials was heresy...heresy was indefensible.. as your defender was then accused...and of course once accused you were guilty.

I have questioned the 9 million number myself but have found it in many places... consider 600 burned in Mamberg in one year, 900 in a year in Wurzburg, 100 to 200 a day in large cities like Nuremberg. A Jesuit by the name of Delrio claims 500 executed in Geneva in a 3 month period in 1515. In England.. burning was not allowed...death was by hanging. Torture was outlawed...but that does not mean it did not occur.

Wolfie:

Or drowning...

ANNWYN:

and of course we know the hysteria followed to America.. waged against a small group there and also thought to have been applied to the Indians due to similarities to paganism

cadman:

some were drowned

ANNWYN:

the drowning actually occurred usually during the test of "swimming"...

Wolfie:

If you weren't a witch.. you could swim.. correct?

ANNWYN:

water would only receive those who were pure.. so if you sank/drowned...you were innocent. If you were a witch you would float

Morrigan:

how convenient

ANNWYN:

some would actually use sticks to try and keep people under.. so as to have them avoid the tortures of trial

Boudica:

Please note the water was blessed by the priest and that is why only the pure floated

cadman:

no if you could swim you were because their hands and were tied

Wolfie:

{shakes head sadly} so many innocent people... almost as bad as Hitler...

RayneDancer:

what did they do to the "witches" who survived the swimming test?

ANNWYN:

The point I really want to make tonight...

SongSpring:

killed them Rayne!

ANNWYN:

and I don't want to enter into the types of tortures used or the terrible deaths that occurred

Boudica:

sorry, only the witches floated,

Morrigan:

ok, let's please allow Annwyn to continue

ANNWYN:

is that although these were called the witch trials...only a small percentage that died were witches. Of the 9 million....80% were women... The rest men and children... but the point being it was the hatred and political thrust that enabled the hysteria to continue for so long... no one was really free from the possibility of accusation and death.

cadman:

isn't it true that anyone knowing was also executed?

ANNWYN:

Although many of us today have seen the face of discrimination for the most part we can worship without fear of Death... The question is....what can we do to protect ourselves from the discrimination that still persists... again realizing although much of the current problem is directed from xians... What responsibility can we take on ourselves?

Floor open

SongSpring:

discussion time yet?

Herne:

become filthy rich and live in communities that won't let them past the gates

SongSpring:

I have found a very good web page that uses verses explained by a Christian on why the Christians should live w/ the pagans in peace... http://www.healey.com.au/users/marmy/index.html

ANNWYN:

thanks song...

Burningwolf:

how much of this "witchcraft" was induced by ergot of rye?

RayneDancer:

weren't many of those people kill , midwives and herbalists?

SongSpring:

I think that the best we can do is to remain open and in a "teaching mode" ... where we are ready to show others what our path is about without any attempts at conversion...

ANNWYN:

How many in your early discovery of the craft...became very vocal in your excitement

Red Deer:

yes Rayne

cadman:

You study or have some kind of Greek to English concordance ANN?

SongSpring:

it is the unknown that they fear.. so we must therefore dispel the unknown by bringing the light of Knowledge...

Rayne....yes.. but again remember in the name of the Church

Cad...?

RayneDancer:

yes

Musashii:

Let us not forget the Paranoia of King James of England and his version of the printed Bible. " Suffer Ye not a Witch to Live".

ANNWYN:

But how much SHOULD we share...

RayneDancer:

the burning times shadow

Wolfie:

I know I did.. I still tell people when they ask about my PENTACLE......

Potatoetoe:

conversion to Christianity, split old families, land disputes fueled fires of political discontent, brother accused sister

GLPs:

I think the first step is to get rid of the "New Age" commercializing of the occult, in which pieces of the truth of the earth centered religions are mixed in with dramatics and

PlasticG'zus:

why can't we let the past be the past?

ShAdwgatE:

one of the worst times in witch history

GLPs:

silliness. We need to educate.

ANNWYN:

avarice was a large part of the condemnation

SongSpring:

Annwyn, I feel that withholding information is more detrimental to us then the sharing.. and I agree w/ GLP about the "New Age" stuff!

SongSpring:

I share and teach when one is ready for it.. not before...

Red Deer:

agree with the withholding part, Song

truthunter:

amen glp

cadman:

Do you have a Greek / English concordance with you now?

Musashii:

In the Greek the word is PHARMIKOS or Poisoner not Witch

SongSpring:

that is the difference between proselytizing and education... is the willingness of the student...

ANNWYN:

guess not or don't understand your question

Wolfie:

I am confused here... I should know but don't understand.. what is the difference of PAGANS and WICCANS??? I thought we were one in the same.. or did I forget my teaching?}

SongSpring:

but I do have the need to be the "Corporate Closet Witch" when I'm in a work environment.. although I am starting to be more open here...

ANNWYN:

all wiccans are pagan.. not all pagans are wiccan

Red Deer:

but poisoner did not mean murderer from the Pagan viewpoint

SongSpring:

Wolfie, all Wiccans are Pagans, ... what Ann said

seekrOfLite:

Is anyone aware of any good teachers in the central Illinois area? I'm so HUNGRY

Wolfie:

thanks for the Clarification... {G}

Red Deer:

rather a healer who also helped with euthanasia

RayneDancer:

ann, am i right , that the witches gave the Jews sanctuary during the Jews persecution?

Nestor:

Also we must become as individuals more active members of our communities ( without stressing the Craft or pagan aspect) those facts will reveal themselves at the proper time - when we

ANNWYN:

I have heard that Rayne.. also recall that years ago Jews were accused of many of same things witch's were...like eating baby type things

Red Deer:

AYE! Nestor

Nestor:

have earned their respect for doing good work

ANNWYN:

Thank you Nestor... remember much of the bad press did not belong to us anyway

Musashii:

Several

RayneDancer:

wow! i didn't realize that!

SongSpring:

Indeed Nestor.. those things have a way of coming to light when necessary.. remember the part about not sharing unless the student is ready to learn

Red Deer:

{--- many

ShAdwgatE:

i do + a goddess

ANNWYN:

Also remember that only you validate your faith ...you DO NOT need to share it with everyone you meet

SongSpring:

This is true Ann...

RawSymposium:

john 3 16?

cadman:

You gave a reference of the word heresy as being Greek for to choose I was hoping that you had a Greek reference book with you to trace English words roots

Wolfie:

Like I've said before..,, I am a Christian who incorporates WICCA with her Christianity.. and it works well...

GLPs:

Are there any ancient writings, comparable to the xian bible that have been translated?

Nestor:

we have very many people who have interest in common -- whether they ecologists or historians or craftsmen of all types

Red Deer:

along what lines, GLPs?

SongSpring:

Wolfie, there is no need for the two paths to be in opposition!

SongSpring:

Our only animosity towards Christianity, or towards any other religion or philosophy of life is to the extent that its institutions have claimed to be "the only way"... and have sought to deny freedom to others and to suppress other ways of practice and belief.

Nestor:

we should develop our ties in all respect and work for the common good

GLPs:

I don't know exactly, but I want something original, not "new"

ANNWYN:

Nestor another good point...that WE respect each other...and not be fighting amongst ourselves..

Wolfie:

I was taught that WICCA is NOT the only RELIGION... that you incorporate your own religious beliefs with the teachings of Wicca....

Red Deer:

Gnostic Gospels, Dead Sea Scrolls, several others

SongSpring:

While Wiccans have common threads and beliefs, we do respect the beliefs and opinions of the individual. We allow for different opinions and interpretations of various concepts within Wicca,

RayneDancer:

what stopped the persecution of witches?

GLPs:

I don't want something that '"Joe Schmoe" wrote because he likes paganism...thinks its cool

RawSymposium:

LOL Mus

SongSpring:

{G} Musashii

ShAdwgatE:

a law i think

GLPs:

Please elaborate, Red

ANNWYN:

Rayne...actually the age of Reason came along.. and people really became disinterested... it had kinda burned itself out

RayneDancer:

hmmm...

Wolfie:

Bad choice of words ann {G}

Red Deer:

well, if you're asking about Paganism - those are the wrong refs... gave them because you referred to the Bible - they are Christian

Potatoetoe:

they killed too many good people, no one was safe

ANNWYN:

No I like puns wolfie

RayneDancer:

lol wolf :)

Wolfie:

LOLOL {G}

Red Deer:

I think the populace became unwilling to support it, Annie

Nestor:

well for paganism you can read any of the classical authors for ideas

GLPs:

What authors?

ANNWYN:

also...where it had been heresy not to believe in witch craft.. it became heresy to believe in witch craft

Red Deer:

Egyptian Book of the Dead

Tibetan Book of the Dead

Rig Veda

Nestor:

you can start with Homer and go all the way to the Emperor Julian

Wolfie:

I'm wondering if the future holds the same as the past.. they say that the past always comes back.... Does this mean our children if we teach them the craft or our ancestors are gonna go through the same thing?

RayneDancer:

did witches hide their beliefs before the trials, or were they "out in the open"?

ANNWYN:

the political needs changed also RD.. it was no longer necessary

Red Deer:

The past repeats itself for those who DO NOT learn its lessons

SongSpring:

Rayne, somewhat hidden.. somewhat open...

Red Deer:

aye

ShAdwgatE:

i wonder what would of happened if pagans won the crusades?

Morrigan:

that's the whole point of this class

Wolfie:

Well I hate to say it.. but we do have very NARROWMINDED people STILL...

ANNWYN:

How far back.. and some of the religions were always mystery religions

Nestor:

well the pagans were not a side in the crusades

Boudica:

Sorry, didn't know there were pagans involved in the crusades?

Red Deer:

I feel that part of what WE need to do is to stop bellyaching about the burning times...

Wolfie:

{--shudders to think of some of the religious zealots if they had their way.....

Red Deer:

we need to know, to teach our children, but NOT to spend our energy being caught up in anger and hatred

ShAdwgatE:

that's when xians forced there beliefs on pagans

ANNWYN:

RD yes and no...stop bellyaching.. but do not forget what can happen with a runaway mob

SongSpring:

Red Deer, we simply need to learn from them and move on...

Red Deer:

of what other peoples ANCESTORS did to some of ours

Morrigan:

agreed Red Deer

RayneDancer:

people need to know of the past so it does NOT repeat itself

ShAdwgatE:

which resulted in a war i think and hope I'm right

Musashii:

Those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

ANNWYN:

I think we should still be somewhat cautious...

Wolfie:

Do ANY of you think that the past CAN repeat?? .....

ShAdwgatE:

if not i feel really dumb

SongSpring:

Yes Wolfie.. if we allow it so!

Wolfie:

YIKES!!!!!!!

ANNWYN:

not on that scale...it happens on a more personal level these days

RayneDancer:

agreed song

Stormsdancer:

yes it can repeat

Wolfie:

Oh geesh..... {shakes head}

Nestor:

an excellent book that should be read by people is John Holland Smith's "Death of Classical Paganism" -he was a professor of classical history/studies at Columbia U.

Stormsdancer:

the arena for hatred is called politics

Potatoetoe:

Some of the right wish to return to the burning times, they are finding they have schisms of belief now, they may justify persecuting all who disagree

truthunter:

ANNYWN....I love you............heheheh

Red Deer:

As an example, I'd ask you all to consider other persecuted minorities - I agree with remembering and not allowing repeats, but how many here have EVER had a negative feeling

ANNWYN:

power and greed also

Wolfie:

Storm.. I agree...

ANNWYN:

Hey truth...love you too

Red Deer:

about the way many Hebrews present the holocaust or blacks present slavery?

ANNWYN:

Truth did you ever really have a question or did you just want to interrupt...{G}

truthunter:

any decent witch worth her salt would never ask "truth" such a question

Wolfie:

I think we ALL have had negative feelings.. unfortunately...

ANNWYN:

But.. RD.. my point tonight is that this was not about witch's per se...and so I agree.. stop bellyaching...but be aware of what

Nestor:

Stomsdancer --hater destroys even politics ( remember that comes from the word "polis" or city of which we are all members in fact

ANNWYN:

mass hysteria and misperceptions can produce

Red Deer:

I agree with your points, Annie and want to reinforce them...

Red Deer:

but when you read the P* BBs with all the

ANNWYN:

the trials were xians against xians...with witchcraft as the scapegoat...the church was obsessed with the devil

Red Deer:

"Never again the burning"

Stormsdancer:

well said nestor,

Nestor:

aye Red Deer --never Again

Red Deer:

and listen to folks in chat condemn Christians for no other reason than being Christian it's obvious that not all follow in this

SongSpring:

That is wrong!

ANNWYN:

I understand RD

Stormsdancer:

that's an unfortunate truth Red Deer

ANNWYN:

but even still...xians do not understand intrinsically where we are coming from.. they cannot and hold true to their own beliefs

Red Deer:

depends upon the Christians, Annie

ANNWYN:

the best we can hope for is respect

ANNWYN:

{G}

Red Deer:

I know many who understand and are perfectly comfortable with me & my beliefs

ANNWYN:

hmmmm.. wonder if push came to shove...

Aziel:

well, Xians were persecuted once, too...

Stormsdancer:

I'll settle for equal respect and courtesy

Nestor:

I feel that their is a basic difference between Christians whom we can work with in peace and friendship and the Xians who thump and disrupt and attempt to destroy this room

ANNWYN:

not trying to instigate...just still saying move with caution

Red Deer:

I think, mostly because they knew me as a person first, and then about my beliefs... I'm not a 'flaming' Pagan

Potatoetoe:

all of the trials were not xians against xians. some trials were of family members against family members, all of the goddess, but hungry for sorcerer's power

RayneDancer:

me too storms

Catspawn:

i agree

Wolfie:

I don't try and CHANGE people with my beliefs.. it's like my gay friends.. I accept them the way they are... and they do the same for me {G}

Red Deer:

at least not until after folks get to know me

ANNWYN:

Hope you stay that way RD

Red Deer:

aye, Wolfie

Potatoetoe:

my family was this way

Red Deer:

{g} Annie

Morrigan:

thanx Raw {g}

Catspawn:

like, i go into the Christian room and just watch, and I'm welcome in there but there are several they don't like because of bashing and such

RayneDancer:

do they know you are pagan cats?

Wolfie:

{-- doesn't go into rooms much anymore... hall nymph {G}

Catspawn:

like u said red

Morrigan:

I sometimes go in and participate in discussions, and I am welcome there.

Catspawn:

yes they do and they respect that

ANNWYN:

I tend not to go.. because I get riled to easily...{G}

truthunter:

mmmm

Catspawn:

they are the few "true" Christians i know

ANNWYN:

Out of respect.. I stay away

Morrigan:

{G} yes, I can't stay too long Ann

SongSpring:

I am attacked most of the time.. but I go for polite discussion

ANNWYN:

{G}

Catspawn:

i get attacked on occasion

Red Deer:

good judgment, Annie

Catspawn:

but i try my best to not start it

truthunter:

Song do you get attacked?

Aziel:

{sigh} I cannot handle a full room...

SongSpring:

yes, i do truth

melilot:

i prefer not to go there since i've heard all the bible verses already

Wolfie:

To be totally honest?? this is the first time in 2 years I've been in a room where there wasn't some form of HATE and disruption...

Nestor:

we have to learn to respect their room and then we can expect and demand that they do the same -- peace can sometimes be achieved best by courtesy and strong fences

Catspawn:

just wait . . .

ANNWYN:

course...AZ

RayneDancer:

do they try to preach to you to convert? (in the xian room)

Stormsdancer:

me, I just ask them how they have the nerve to limit their god to just one expression????

Red Deer:

I usually find only fundamentalists to have a problem with my views... and in our area, anyway, fundies are a definite minority... many more liberal-thinking Christians

truthunter:

robert frost......mending fences...

Catspawn:

they don't preach at me, some of them ask why i changed and respect my decision, though they might not agree

RawSymposium:

{--feels like preaching the "word"..{g}

ANNWYN:

Ah...RD...come over for dinner.. I have a feeling I am going to fundy heaven this weekend{G}

SongSpring:

Rayne, they do the public prayer display thing.. which bugs me to no end since it is not spirit filled and simply an attention getting technique....

melilot:

raw i got a "word" for ya {eg}

SongSpring:

? Annwyn

truthunter:

amen Song

ANNWYN:

Family gathering Song

Red Deer:

I thought you were coming to our house for dinner, Annie

Catspawn:

i disagree song

Red Deer:

or at least lunch

SongSpring:

Catspawn, their own Bible teaches against such displays!

ANNWYN:

I don't know you well enough for that...lunch first{G}

Catspawn:

i've seen some prayer that is very spiritual, when the bashers aren't' there

Catspawn:

what of group prayer??

RawSymposium:

{---will begin to preach the "word" at any moment....

Red Deer:

lunch with heavy horse ovaries?

Nestor:

let them SongSpring --and then respond by quietly laying a bunch of flower at the foot of a tree and say nothing but walk away in dignity

RawSymposium:

{eg}

truthunter:

Song unfortunately some judge the vehicle by the driver

Catspawn:

true

Red Deer:

great one Raw

Wolfie:

bleah Þ remind me NEVER to eat lunch with ya raw {G}

Red Deer:

oops, I mean Truth

SongSpring:

Nestor, in Chat.. find a tree????

RawSymposium:

yes i will show you all the real "word"...

Nestor:

well then jsut say you are leaving them flowers

RawSymposium:

the WORD has power...

RayneDancer:

May i ask a semi unrelated question?

ANNWYN:

Guys...mean ol chat host wants to know if we are done with the actual class...

RawSymposium:

eg}

ANNWYN:

I say yes

Red Deer:

looking forward to seeing you 'round the equinox Annie

truthunter:

gotta go ANNWYN enjoyed seeing your class

Morrigan:

ANN, thank you for speaking tonight!

ANNWYN:

Be there.. tell El HI!

Catspawn:

i almost got in trouble with them the other day because i said MM to them

Red Deer:

Brightest Blessings and Merry Part {{{room}}}

Posting Date: 01 April 1996
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