HERNE:

Blessed Be and Merry Meet. Welcome to tonight's class presentation of Wicca 101. I shall be host to tonight's class and after class discussion or riot

Please feel free to snooze but not to disrupt

DancngAngel:

CLASS PROTOCOL: Please EXCLUDE without comment nay whom due to their disruptive nature I exclude

HERNE:

that's "any" DA, not "nay"

DancngAngel:

thank you Herne, next time let me get some sleep the night before :-)

HERNE:

Last weeks class, presented so well by Lady Lionflower, dealt with the construction of the magickal place between the worlds the magicians universe, the magic circle

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where the gods come to greet us and where magickal workings are performed. Rather than deal with the elements of crafting magick tonight I would like to discuss the central theme of Wicca: the gods, and our relationship with them as well as the general trends in the Craft community towards interpretations of the gods as singular aspects, masks or "faces" of the divine. That the central theme of Wicca is our relationship with the Gods is proven by the works of various authors, who are despite the origins and differences between traditions or their individual perspectives towards divinity, quite united in stressing that our relationship with the gods is of central importance. It is not the point of tonight's class to argue the validity of any one religion over that of the other for as Wiccans often quote; "All gods are one god all godesses are one goddess and there is one initiator" and along these lines of thought all pathways to developing relationship between ourselves and the supreme, that are affirming of life, must be viewed as valid to the human experience. Thus with this consideration and putting our differences aside we can afford to extend each other the common courtesy of respect and proceed upon our own spiritual paths unhindered by the arrogant assumption that the gods need us to engage in petty squabblings over which of them is bigger and better than the rest. Though Pagans and Wiccans are generally more accepting of the

Medicine Owl:

we are all Gods in embryo

HERNE:

spiritual paths of others this is not always the case, and the reasons for that is more than anything else the theme for tonight's discussion.

Several years ago my High Priestess, the Lady Morwyn attended a discussion in which Starhawk was the speaker. Starhawk is one of the chief proponents of what I rightly or wrongly refer to as "feminist Wicca", that portion of the Craft which emphasizes The Goddess to be of primary importance, almost if not completely to the point where The God is excluded, even from mention. During the class several women there put forward questions to Starhawk about the role of The God in the Craft and Starhawk defrayed those questions to my High Priestess. Later on Lady Morwyn asked Starhawk why she excluded the God from a position of importance and Starhawk replied that it was from her perception of "need", that because the feminine aspect of deity had been so long absent from our lives that she felt that it was of primary importance to stress "The Goddess" and that there was already enough emphasis upon the God within our culture and society My High Priestess didn't agree with her line of reasoning which she considered to be pretty slip shod but that is neither here nor there, the point being that our approach to the deity, our general conception of them, our desire for them follows along our line of reasoning concerning the perception of our own perceived needs and desires. What we think that we need them to be How many of you grew up in a culture in which religion was of predominant importance, the central theme of culture and lifestyle?

aphreal:

Not me...

HERNE:

?

Red Deer:

{--- not me

snowchild:

no

RavenSea:

not me

james ensor:

Not me

HERNE:

?

Carielle:

{---Not really

Tyr:

not me

Sweetie Bear:

not really

Lone Druid:

not me man

melilot:

me

HERNE:

Not a one

Warmuth:

me

james ensor:

sorry, not I

HERNE:

Not a one if you grew up in technologically advanced Western civilization where religion has long sense been replaced by science, by a view of reality which is

OOOPS, WAIT, WE HAVE ONE

melilot:

yep you do

Warmuth:

me too

melilot:

Southern Baptist upbringing centers on the church

Warmuth:

Pagan

HERNE:

OK, who did not?

melilot:

all outside activities are governed by it

Carielle:

not

RavenSea:

nope

Warmuth:

I was raised Pagan!

james ensor:

nope

Sweetie Bear:

no it

Annwyn:

{{{Warm}}}}

aphreal:

{{raised weakly Xian

HERNE:

Lady Warmuth, after class :}

james ensor:

Raised to make these decisions on my own

HERNE:

Not a one if you grew up in technologically advanced Western civilization where religion has long sense been replaced by science, by a view of reality which is mechanistic, which views reality as being wholly of material composition and life only a development of a sophistication of matter. In such a culture and society

Red Deer:

{--- raised to think for myself, including religion

RavenSea:

me too

snowchild:

kind of was

HERNE:

religion is only a remnant left over from an age wherein it was the central theme of human existence, a vestige and as much as it still exists it exists predominantly

james ensor:

I disagree

HERNE:

only as superstition, supported by blind faith. As human beings we find blind faith and superstition unappealing and our utmost need as far as matters of religion are concerned,

Annwyn:

please explain

Warmuth:

yes, please go on

james ensor:

These last two sections are narrow-minded. No offense or anything

HERNE:

We are not brought up in a society that has religious practices that lead us to a position other than one of blind faith

snowchild:

you mean most people

Red Deer:

{--- disagrees

HERNE:

yes, most

Hugmeister:

i thought you were to wait till the end for comments?

snowchild:

(sorry)

HERNE:

thank you Hugs

james ensor:

oh well. I am paying for this

HERNE:

is that the gods we worship, show themselves to be real and relevant to our human experience. Depending upon how much we as individuals desire that this becomes so,

Annwyn:

Herne, I am not sure I understand the point you are trying to make

DancngAngel:

Class Protocol: Please hold your questions and comments until the end of class unless invited by the instructor. Thank you.

HERNE:

I had one day to prepare this to work for this to come about. Why should the gods be important to us, what is it they offer, what do we gain from the worship of them?

(EDITOR'S NOTE: Herne was not asked to teach, he volunteered.)

PandoraT:

MM all!

Warmuth:

may I answer that question

PandoraT:

for being a full room you sure are a quiet crew tonight...

snowchild:

it's a class

HERNE:

The answers to these questions, and many others like them are answered, gradually, as our conscious develops to the ability to perceive the answers or when Lady Warmuth is luckily here

Proceed Lady

Warmuth:

I think we all are looking, whatever the society for the same thing ...the answer to the question...Is this all there is?

Lone Druid:

I worship nothing, but am part of the all.

Warmuth:

We all want to know if when life ends...is there an afterlife

dclxvi:

if you are a part of the all, then you are a part of that which worships

Warmuth:

and if it is worth this life we live

snowchild:

I may have an answer to the question, if anyone wishes to hear it.

james ensor:

go for it

HERNE:

OK

snowchild:

i think many people worship more out of fear of a power

james ensor:

true

NeoStar:

Yep. I agree. Especially Xtians.

HERNE:

yes, an insurance policy, premiums are low, high pay off

dclxvi:

premiums are courage and intelligence, payoff is nothing

snowchild:

that's my experience with people

HERNE:

sure, it sounds like a scam, but what the hey, its only a buck {BS}

james ensor:

good call Herne

snowchild:

courage makes your wishes manifest

snowchild:

sometimes

dclxvi:

oh that sounds glib but what does it mean

Warmuth:

We are all basically worried that when we die...life will have meant nothing...so we worship the God in the hope of making some sense out of it

dclxvi:

not all of us warmuth

Red Deer:

{--- disagrees

Lone's Ocean:

Warmuth I can't say I feel that way

Annwyn:

{---disagrees

snowchild:

if you read psychology books they agree

PAniteowl:

sorry Warm .. can't buy that one

snowchild:

that we fear being hurt

Lone Druid:

No way, for there is more!

Red Deer:

I worship because I've found it sensible, not to help make sense of things

dclxvi:

if you knew that you existed to provide food for bacteria when you die, wouldn't this give your life a purpose and meaning-perhaps not to your liking, but...

Warmuth:

You don't worship the Gods to get knowledge or hope or some sort of satisfaction?????

Hugmeister:

ONCE AGIAN COMMENTS AT THE END REMEMBER FOLKS

PAniteowl:

Nope

Lone's Ocean:

I worship because I feel it, the power the love in my heart, in every fiber of my being

Hugmeister:

OTHERWISE CHAOS WILL REUSLT CAUSE ILL STAT POSTING SOME{g}

Warmuth:

Isn't that satisfaction????

HERNE:

Hugs, id ok

dclxvi:

the strength of one's feeling is irrelevant to the objective correctness of that feeling.

snowchild:

a satisfaction that you have the courage to do what you want to

aphreal:

Herne, can I say something?

Lone's Ocean:

perhaps it is, a satisfaction, but certainly not out of a fear of death

HERNE:

Sure aph

Warmuth:

Im not saying fear

aphreal:

I somewhat agree with Warm, the reason I stayed with Wicca was because it gave me a satisfaction Christianity did not. It filled my needs...gave me hope.

snowchild:

not always a for a fear of death

Red Deer:

I don't worship to get those things, but because I've gotten them

Lone's Ocean:

Aye Red Deer

dclxvi:

all the hope in the world won't change a thing. it is action that may change something

HERNE:

OK so the purpose of religion is to provide meaning to your lives in some way

aphreal:

But everyone doesn't always Red Deer.

Annwyn:

those things are already a part of you...it is the remembering that reminds us of the connection

HERNE:

Coming from a culture in which our perception of deity and our own natures are limited to conceptualization, we have little of no actual knowledge of what the gods are.

dclxvi:

and jobs for clergymen who don't like heavy lifting

HERNE:

religion is only a remnant left over from an age wherein it was the central theme of human existence, a vestige and as much as it still exists it exists predominantly only as superstition, supported by blind faith. As human beings we find blind faith and superstition unappealing and our utmost need as far as matters of religion are concerned, is that the gods we worship, show themselves to be real and relevant to our human experience. Depending upon how much we as individuals desire that this becomes so,

Lone Druid:

Religion is a made club.

HERNE:

that we gain to a position in which the gods expose themselves to as living beings, existing in our lives determines how much we as individuals will be willing to

Lone Druid:

Manmade that is!

HERNE:

to work for this to come about. Why should the gods be important to us, what is it they offer, what do we gain from the worship of them? The answers to these questions, and many others like them are answered, gradually, as our conscious develops to the ability to perceive the answers dclxvi:

gods are photos of daddy on an enlarger

Wacko:

Hello

HERNE:

Though through dissatisfaction we may come to the point where we reject the outward expression of a religious path and view of reality that we find unsatisfying

DancngAngel:

CLASS PROTOCOL: Please hold your comments and questions until the end of class unless invited by the instructor. Thank you.

dclxvi:

what class? who here calls themselves teacher?

HERNE:

of our needs and desires, the perspective that we still have is the product of a life time of conditioning. though we one day wake up and say "today I am no longer a Druze, today I am a Druid", that day is only the beginning and that statement, only a statement of intent. From that point one must make effort to become what one

Wacko:

I have a question to anyone who can answer...does anyone know what the red dots placed on Hindu women's foreheads are called?

snowchild:

Herne, not to be mean, do you have to elongate this so much, what happened to simple wordings?

dclxvi:

bindu

HERNE:

I call myself a student

snowchild:

yottie dots?

Wacko:

Bindu? Thanks... yottie?

HERNE:

feels that one desires to be, and during that slow and gradual process one transforms ones consciousness.

snowchild:

not sure but I have heard that

HERNE:

From a conceptual understanding of the Gods, of ourselves and of the nature of existence we progress to a level of understanding which is experiential

DancngAngel:

CLASS PROTOCOL: Please EXCLUDE without comment any whom due to their disruptive nature I exclude. Thank you.

HERNE:

that is cognitive, wherein we are directly conscious of the existence of deity. At this point we still have conceptions but no longer is our faith blind.

dclxvi:

dancingangel you sound like an old cheech and chong sketch

Wacko:

I'll try both, thanks DCLXVI and snow child bye

HERNE:

Any valid spiritual path offers transformation to it's followers, offers evolution to a position in which one attains direct perception of both the self and the "other" be the other only a perception of a unity of all life or the perception of consciousness and individuality existing beyond the narrow realms wherein we conceive of

Red Deer:

even Christianity Herne?

dclxvi:

hey ann, since when did this become the pedantic palace?

HERNE:

their possibility of manifestation. The "Gods" are real, what they are in totality we will perhaps never really know, for it is not even a given that they understand themselves

Annwyn:

Don't get me started DC

HERNE:

completely. But one may come to a position where one becomes knowledgeable of them, at least so far as surety of their existence, and better than that, surety

dclxvi:

something has to get started with this religion 101 crap going on here tonight

HERNE:

screw you DC

snowchild:

please be nice

HERNE:

that for some strange reason there are some among them who favor us, who care for our welfare and desire with us our promotion to a position similar if not

DancngAngel:

ESCLUDING: DC

HERNE:

identical to theirs. Perhaps some of them merely wish to stay on our good side, just in case we manage somehow not to destroy ourselves and gain to this position ourselves

Warmuth:

You are saying ...as Our religion evolves...so do we???

HERNE:

yes, considering our inclinations and propensities as a species, this would not be an unreasonable attitude for them to have. Wiccans today are of different mind sets concerning their conceptions of what the gods are. Most subscribe to the idea that the Gods and Goddesses are only expressions of the singular god and goddess, "aspects of the divine." This reasoning though robs them of any individual existence though, and some, seeing this subscribe to the theory that each god and

dclxvi:

are all the sheep listening? Herne, my friend, did you come to close to Nestor and catch his disease? What happened to you? Have you been invaded by the spirit of A.E. WAITE?

HERNE:

DC, you have the floor

Lone Druid:

Hey DCL, at least let the man finish, h**l even I am!

dclxvi:

I don't even want the floor, but pal o mine, this stuff is strictly dry wall construction

Freinsch:

DC's been exed

Red Deer:

lol

dclxvi:

still the same morons who don't realize they exclude information from themselves, it doesn't effect what I see

Warmuth:

Please go on Herne

HERNE:

Well s**t DC, tell me where I am wrong?

Hugmeister:

HERNE

HERNE:

I hate Waite

AgnoLogik:

Herne just continue dude ignore the disruptive we just want to learn, specially me.

Hugmeister:

you are supposed to be teaching a class

dclxvi:

didn't say you were wrong, but what is with the Professor role tonight?

Lone's Ocean:

Herne pls continue DCL was excluded

Sylverhare:

MM All

Hugmeister:

if you are not up to doing it without being baited by dc let us know

Lone Druid:

All exclude DCL.

Hugmeister:

and then we will all talk in the room otherwise continue

HERNE:

If I ain't wrong shut the chuck up or say something funny

dclxvi:

good to see that hugmeister has learned to spell his name correctly but still has not learned basic chat etiquette vis a vis typography

Lone Druid:

Please continue Herne

HERNE:

LOL

OK Students

dclxvi:

hey Herne I am a fan but what happened to the ol' funny Herne?

melilot:

is class over?

aphreal:

Oh Goddess....

HERNE:

DC, I was asked to teach

aphreal:

It looks like it, I haven't heard an intelligent word in a page

Apathy:

hey dc, why don't you just let him teach!

Lone Druid:

hey{let the man finish{s**t!

Warmuth:

DC.. until you've been up there teaching.....you don't know what its like

RavenSea:

teach Herne!

dclxvi:

no, gee, I have not idea what that is like warmuth

HERNE:

OK, the point is that we come into the Craft thinking that we know what the Gods are

Lone's Ocean:

ok folks back in our seats please

Warmuth:

on chat/

HERNE:

We have conceptualized them Because we have al this baggage from a culture in which deity is perceived as being monotheistic we, or a lot of us are likely to take Jehovah, put a wig and a set of falsies on him and "Viola!", The Goddess!

aphreal:

LOL

Warmuth:

Agreed

RavenSea:

lol

dclxvi:

nice point Herne

Lone's Ocean:

hehe

Freinsch:

Doesn't the beard give him away (G)

Lone's Ocean:

LOL

RavenSea:

lol

OceansShadow:

lol

melilot:

what do we do with the balls?

Red Deer:

LOL mel

RavenSea:

ROFL

OceansShadow:

lol

Apathy:

lol

Lone Druid:

marinate them, mel!

dclxvi:

now that is the Herne i know

HERNE:

Monotheism with a sex change

Warmuth:

Many think it is more cerebral or scientific to think of the Gods as only facets....bet we must remember we are a old and primitive religion

Red Deer:

Herne, are you speaking for yourself or generalizing to the rest of us?

dclxvi:

yes, about seventy years old thanks to a masochistic British civil servant and a bisexual limey

Lone Druid:

Old maybe, primitive no!

Warmuth:

Sorry...My line goes back MUCH farther

dclxvi:

sure it does

HERNE:

Those that subscribe to "The Goddess" and never mention the God are monotheists Red Deer

AgnoLogik:

true

Warmuth:

Talk me later, Darlin'

HERNE:

OK, I had more but computer ate it, Class concluded

Warmuth:

Mine is primitive...mind is down in the dirt

dclxvi:

mirabile dictu

Lone Druid:

Great FOODFIGHT

Lone's Ocean:

Thank you Herne!

aphreal:

MP....Thanks Herne

melilot:

{--------logging off

Red Deer:

I don't mean the monotheist part Herne, but the generalization re our ability to perceive

RavenSea:

Thanks Herne:)

Red Deer:

I feel you far over generalize

Warmuth:

Thank you Herne...Very good

Apathy:

Hey Herne, could i ask a question?

dclxvi:

well it is good to see that the sheep have been well fed.

Lone Druid:

Thanks Herne for the effort!

Warmuth:

baaaaaaaa

dclxvi:

now turn to page 69 in your Llewellyn paperbacks and repeat after me...HARM NUN

HERNE:

LOL

autumn:

harm the nun

melilot:

what Llewellyn paperback?

Warmuth:

I like the "do what thou wilt"

Lone Druid:

DCL, because we listen, does not mean we believe it!

melilot:

no one said i had to buy a book for this class

dclxvi:

does it matter?

Musashii:

666, is that a Blue Nun??? {G}

autumn:

especially when it comes to 'CERTAIN' people

dclxvi:

wine

Apathy:

Herne, could i ask you a question?

Lone Druid:

Druids do not follow the Rede!

dclxvi:

you just did apathy

HERNE:

Thank you all

Sure Apathy?

melilot:

apathy class is over do whatever you want {G}

autumn:

you aren't welcome

AgnoLogik:

Thank YOU Herne.

dclxvi:

why don't we druid in the Rede-wasn't that a Beatles song?

Porthanos:

Heylo all

snowchild:

MM porthanos

Warmuth:

You've been winning all night,...you want more wine DC??

Apathy:

Herne, im going to ask you a question...better dcl?

Apathy:

Are you saying that people shouldn't think of gods as people but more as gods?

Musashii:

Syllabus, Syllabus, I don't need no stinking Syllabus !!

dclxvi:

now you have hugmeister syndrome

Red Deer:

Herne, in the context of Wiccan history, would you comment on the idea that a Witch's word is her/his bond?

dclxvi:

syllabus is cured by penicillin

HERNE:

OK Apathy

Lone Druid:

I guess we do then, I am Beatles fan too.

dclxvi:

I'm not

RavenSea:

LOL DC

Apathy:

Are you saying that people shouldn't think of gods as people but more as gods?

melilot:

only if you get to it quick enough dc

Warmuth:

Only if it isn't a resistant strain

HERNE:

Red Deer, a "OK Butt head" is not an oath

Lone Druid:

DCL your not anyone's fan!

snowchild:

MP I have to go now.

dclxvi:

no, he is clearly stating that gods are squashy bananas-weren't you paying attention

Red Deer:

I learned that a Witch's word (not an oath but merely their spoken word) is the proof of their value

autumn:

then Herne.. how do you expect us to make any oaths to you

Apathy:

why do you have to be such a dick dcl?

melilot:

the gods are not squashy bananas they are firm cucumbers

OceansShadow:

MP all try to get along with each other.

autumn:

if 'ok butthead' is not an oath

Lone's Ocean:

Aye Meli

dclxvi:

you are in part correct. a matter of gender you know

Warmuth:

I like cucumbers

Sylverhare:

LOL Meli, when was it YOU last invoked a cucumber

dclxvi:

really warmuth, inserted where?

autumn:

my goddess, please tell me you aren't falling back in to Herne's trap again!!

Annwyn:

Dc is a dick because he is so good at it{G}

melilot:

ahhh now you know why i miss spring so much sylver

Sylverhare:

lol

Warmuth:

cut up in a salas

Warmuth:

salad

Lone Druid:

For if one will not keep his bond and oath, then no truth will flow from him evermore!

Freinsch:

Good answer Warmuth (G)

autumn:

cause people if you are, im leaving and i will NEVER set foot back in this room again people

dclxvi:

gee ann, I see I have missed much evolution in this room since I have been away

Sweetie Bear:

MP everyone (my key next to k doesn't work, I'm concerned)

Warmuth:

sort of the Bobbit syndrome

PAniteowl:

true Lone Druid ... guess it shows eh?

dclxvi:

don't let the modem hit you on the way out autumn

Lone's Ocean:

If one's word is worth nothing, then his oath is not either

HERNE:

Festor is a butthead, only thing I swear is I will continue to let him know that I have no use for his back-shootins, as far as your integrity goes Red Deer, that's funny, tell us another

dclxvi:

thanks for clearing that up bastos.

Lone Druid:

For truth can only flow from the purity of belief and in self.

Red Deer:

Actually, Herne, I'm questioning yours

Stormsdancer:

BB everyone out of the attic now, what's up

Lone Druid:

Nestor has keep his oath!

Red Deer:

aye

Hugmeister:

what's always going on in here storm f*****g arguing

Lone's Ocean:

Now is the riot Herne mentioned earlier Storm

dclxvi:

nestor is an oaf? what is all this?

Lone Druid:

I shall keep mine to him and all here.

melilot:

excuse me but could you please take your personal fights to im

dclxvi:

Hugmeister is Lord of all.

Hugmeister:

jesus mary jeoseph set osirisiss goddess Herne and huggy take the f*****g arguing to IMs

dclxvi:

argine-a new element perhaps huggy?

Lone's Ocean:

brb, time to change clothes again

Hugmeister:

aurguing

HERNE:

DUH, Well Root Beer, question me in person some day and make sure your dental is paid up

Hugmeister:

arguing

Freinsch:

Hugs its Arguin

dclxvi:

aurguing- you really are dyslexic aren't you

Hugmeister:

and you know dcl you actually said something right huggy is lord over all

Warmuth:

Huggy...I know you'd put your name in there somewhere

Stormsdancer:

Huggy, I just going to exclude anyone arguing. good idea yeah???

dclxvi:

hug, has it been diagnosed properly?

Lone Druid:

Ah , Herne, why be a jerk, you were doing so well?

melilot:

sounds good to me storm

dclxvi:

some people will do anything to slava bok.

melilot:

musa musa don't leave

elmlightfoot:

neat thanks

Lone Druid:

Let's all have some fun, like panty raids or food fights!

elmlightfoot:

what other sounds can you do

DancngAngel:

Herne, I like you to go over some finer points with me. Lets go over to your place. OK?

Musashii:

Why not Mel

melilot:

that dragon already has all my panties lone

Warmuth:

bye bye Musashii

Hugmeister:

now i disagree with a lot of what you said Herne

Herne:

OK DA and thank you

melilot:

cause i ain't seen you in awhile and i've missed you musa {s}

elmlightfoot:

neat i did it thanxs

dclxvi:

can anyone make animal noises in their trousers? or has this bit of thaumaturgy gone the way of parting the red sea?

Lone Druid:

We are hanging them on the walls now for decorations, Mel.

Red Deer:

LOL DC

Slava Bok:

Is there any one clear subject here?

elmlightfoot:

no that didn't work

dclxvi:

dancing angel, do you have a G.E.D.?

irquesome:

can I ask you all what wiccans do?

HERNE:

Blessed Be all and goodnight

dclxvi:

nothing

Lone Druid:

MP Herne

elmlightfoot:

whoooo that was weird

Red Deer:

we worship the Lady and Lord, progenitors of All, irquesome

RavenSea:

how come i don't hear anything?

Bastos:

Oh, well.

HERNE:

DC, thanks, good to see you again

Hugmeister:

well Herne not going to talk about it?

dclxvi:

you ain't plugged in

melilot:

well irque some of us cook, work, have babies, plant gardens

RavenSea:

how do i get plugged in?

dclxvi:

Herne, where is the ancient hypocrite tonight?

Warmuth:

I'm keeping my mouth shut...Im a good girl

Freinsch:

Guess, he isn't going to discuss with you Hugs (G)

PAniteowl:

Warmuth .... who said that {g}?????

Warmuth:

I heard that "dink"

Lone Druid:

{----------Good Druid

Stormsdancer:

So much for that argument!?!

RavenSea:

How do I make it so I can hear?

dclxvi:

don't feel hurt huggy, you have plenty of other things to talk about.

melilot:

someone has to send you the sounds raven

Red Deer:

We can discuss anyway... Do most of you pagans feel that being raised in a monotheistic culture warped your sense of the Lady and Lord?

Warmuth:

I know....I DO backslide every once in a while....I cant be bad ALL the time

dclxvi:

guaranteed overnight delivery?

Lone Druid:

No

Warmuth:

Not me

dclxvi:

being raised in a penicillin culture warped my sense of infection

PAniteowl:

thump .... outta IM ... what did I miss??? Was there a class? or just a no-class discussion {g}

Stormsdancer:

Maybe, but it also has helped me to appreciate the Lady

dclxvi:

well weak un's it has been a slice

Stormsdancer:

No Class D Pa

Lone Druid:

It must be wonderful to be so d**n smart as, DCL!

Warmuth:

I think Christianity is changing from monotheism.. in a way...just look at all the Mary (Goddess) sightings

melilot:

naw lone bet your brains get fried trying to think so much

Red Deer:

that's not new for Catholics Warmuth... the Lady Mary has always been of paramount importance

Stormsdancer:

Hey excluding really works fast!!!!

Warmuth:

sorry...don't know too much about Christianity

PAniteowl:

yes Warm, she has been the accessible part of that trinity

melilot:

yep storm one of our better tools wouldn't you say

Stormsdancer:

Yeah buddy!

Red Deer:

'tis ok... As a Catholic (recovering) I was raised with the highest awe for the Queen of Heaven, a view which led me into Paganism very easily

Warmuth:

then, there was a female Deity figure for you early on, RD

Adrenta:

I notice the swords are sheathed here now. How refreshing. A few minutes ago ...

PAniteowl:

Yes Warmuth ... those of the craft who hid their practice, publicly used the Catholic rituals and identified the Goddess as Mary, and story of the Jesus as the cycle of the God/Goddess

Red Deer:

definitely, Warmuth...

PAniteowl:

Swords Adrenta??? ... gee, I hadn't noticed

Sylverhare:

I watched a PBS special on Lourdes tonight Warmuth, they went into Mary worship by Catholics a bit,. Too tell the truth if I was a woman I might be a little disgusted with the way she was treated

Freinsch:

I prefer my rifle (G)

Warmuth:

that's interesting.....Is Mary considered a Part of God...or simply a Divine Figure??

Stormsdancer:

rofl PAnite

Red Deer:

Depends on the path of Catholicism you're raised with... even that's not universally consistent

Warmuth:

like a Christian Angel or something

Sylverhare:

To here the Vatican tell it, she is the human element that leads people to the "truth" of the more male aspects of divinity, Warmuth, but not divine in her own right

PAniteowl:

no Warmuth .. we could indeed identify Mary as the personification of the Goddess within the Xian myth

Red Deer:

and many Christians do

Warmuth:

Sort of a "second class " Deity??

Ironbar:

Mary was the first surrogate mother!

melilot:

and aren't the saints the xian pantheon

melilot:

partanone

NeoStar:

Any thoughts on the end of the world?

Warmuth:

Pantheon??

melilot:

can't spell that word

PAniteowl:

not to us Warm ... but the Xians sure did interpret her that way

Red Deer:

the overt teachings of the Church differ vastly from the beliefs of many

melilot:

thanks warm {G}

Ironbar:

I'd avoid it, Neo -- as far as possible!

PAniteowl:

Mel ... parthenogenesis????

melilot:

no the one warm spelled

PAniteowl:

k {g} ... just trying to help

NeoStar:

Ironbar- thanks, I'll take the hint :)

Porthanos:

Hey Iron, been a while since you and I have crushed thumpers together, eh?

Warmuth:

You mean I spelled a word right????....DRINKS ON THE HOUSE!!!!(G)

OceansShadow:

I love you!!!

HERNE:

Nestor is on Vacation for a month

Stormsdancer:

LOL warm

Ironbar:

::draws S&W .40:: yep, it sure has.

melilot:

don't go by me warm look how i spelled it first {G}

Freinsch:

Yes, a man of his word

OceansShadow:

Your tender words fill my heart and soul with such wonder and light, How proud I will be to be your wife my beloved

Warmuth:

I'll take a black and tan

Ironbar:

...and there was a horrible awful silence...

PAniteowl:

aye Freinsch

HERNE:

So, who was talking about me?

NeoStar:

Were there any thumpers in here at all tonight?

Freinsch:

Herne, we have better things to do...

Sylverhare:

lessee, gee no one Herne

Ironbar:

::holsters S&W .40::

OceansShadow:

Where the heck is Lone Druid??

Sylverhare:

to bad

Warmuth:

Sorry, Honey, We forgot to talk about you.

HERNE:

I sincerely hope so LOL

OceansShadow:

there you are my dearest!!

Stormsdancer:

probably in the attic

Ironbar:

There he is!

Aiwass:

not here again has anyone seen Reb tonight?

GodShroom:

nope not I

PAniteowl:

nope Aiwass

Warmuth:

me neither

VTPhinest:

pagans are cool. anyone want to sacrifice anything?

HERNE:

ok then I gotta call my bookie, later all MP

PAniteowl:

are you volunteering VT??

VTPhinest:

what would i have to do?

Ironbar:

::katana half out of sheath::

Stormsdancer:

Only my negative habits can be sacrificed

OceansShadow:

Bye Herne, have a nice trip

GodShroom:

i sacrificed a six pack a bit ago

Porthanos:

Nice Katana Iron

Warmuth:

Now, Now , PA...Its not Lammas yet....

VTPhinest:

lol, godshroom.

PAniteowl:

give us allllllll your money ... whoops .. oh no, that's the wrong religion, we don't have a collection plate {g}

Ironbar:

::makes obscene in-and-out gesture with katana::

{laughter}

Red Deer:

{--- sacrificed $2.95 for this class

Warmuth:

I got to go sacrifice my full bladder....BRB

melilot:

{----------makes a collection plate outta my caldron

Apathy:

that's sick pa :)

VTPhinest:

anyone naked in this room?

Ironbar:

I thought he's never leave!

PAniteowl:

He he he .... sorry Apathy

NeoStar:

{---- Not paying for Prodigy

Apathy:

No... I liked it

OceansShadow:

Well Red Deer you know how it is, if you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle em with bulls**t

Red Deer:

Well, this has been great fun - as usual. Gonna go spend some time with my better half!

LOL OS