Chat Host:

MERRY MEET AND WELCOME TO WICCA 101!

Tonights class is offered by Herne. His topic is Magick.

Please keep all greetings, farewells and side conversations in IM during class.

DISRUPTERS WILL BE WARNED ONCE AND THEN EXCLUDED.

In case of disaster {g} could one or two of you who plan on attending the entire class please log as back up?

WITH THAT HERNE, I SURRENDER THE FLOOR TO YOU

Xori:

{--logging

snowchild:

{- logging, if it works

Winters dawn:

{--logging too

paganangel:

{---logging also

HERNE:

MM all, tonight's class will be on magickal theory, something that you don't need to do magick, but that comes in handy from time to time, Since the class is merely an hour, it won't be all of it, but a substantial part Magick is the art of employing a power that is analogous to energy but which almost certainly is not any energy that is known to physics today. ok so far?

snowchild:

uh huh

Enigma san:

yes...

HERNE:

Energy as our sciences knows of it, has certain properties. It is conserved, it is propagated in space-time, it is generated by and in the physical world only, it is conducted along channels, blocked by physical barriers and it's concentration declines as it moves from areas of higher to lower concentration. The force that empowers magick however is significantly different. Magickal force is propagated in association, generated by both physical and non physical objects alike. It recognizes no physical barriers but is blocked and conducted by psychic factors only and it's concentrations as it's positive associations come closer with time. increase Energy as defined by Physics is "that which does work", which means that it moves something. Energy pushes, pulls, vibrates and radiates. It speeds objects, slows objects, changes their direction. Even heat energy can be described in terms of motion, causing as it does molecules to move more rapidly and thus increasing their temperature.

The Force that empowers Magick however does none of these things, what then does it do? The movement of objects are described in physics by mathematical equations. When energy is added to an object, the added energy is represented by numerical values. The added energy causes changes to take place, which are more or less predictable. If magickal force is introduced into the object, the numbers representing the physical energies remain unaltered. If the physical energies remain unaltered the only way that anything unpredicted can occur is if the equations do not offer an exact prediction, but only a range of probabilities. The only way that events can be changed without adding or subtracting any physical energy from the equation are by random, or indeterminate events, events which cannot be predicted precisely but which one can anticipate the outcome and also calculate the probability of each of these random events occurring. The probability values of any specific random event occurring are what magick changes. Through the use of magickal force as an organizing principle magickal force is added to or subtracted from the equation through association to increase or decrease the chance of occurrence of a random event, one that is patterned by the magician and cut from the subtle physical fabric of the universe; subatomic indeterminancies, through the use of specific methods that cause upon the prime material plane an upscaling of the subatomic indeterminancies into object or random event occurrence.

Enigma san:

Then magickal energies are simply directed catalysts ??

HERNE:

Any questions so far?

Fletcher:

what are you talking about?

snowchild:

magic theories

HERNE:

magickal theory

OK, any other questions so far?

paganangel:

could you please put in simpler language?

snowchild:

magic energy increases the chance of something happening, not making it certain

HERNE:

OK, if that's all the questions, we'll continue

Enigma san:

please do...

HERNE:

Producing such an achievement by the use of Magick is based upon two main factors, the probability of an event occurring without the introduction of the magickal factor itself, which must lie somewhere from 0, impossibility, to one, certainty and the ability through magick to increase the probability of the event occurring or not occurring. The elemental components of any magickal act are divided into four separate factors, The first is the magicians Gnosis, the second; the magickal link, the third; his conscious awareness and the fourth; his subconscious resistance. Of these four the two last, conscious awareness and subconscious resistance work against him, inhibiting his ability to achieve success in his operations. the second factor, the magickal link which enables him to relate through association to all other psychic objects which he is able to experience in order to borrow magickal force from them to gather and project it through his will and desire, also through association into the pattern. Thus we have a formula in the four fold factor, force, pattern, activity and form. A bit of trivia here, this is also the meaning of the Hebrew Yod He Vau He, which is not a name but a formula of the Creative Principle. Think of it as a power source, a circuit, a switch to close the circuit or activate the force and a light bulb or pattern. The circuit represents two ways of activating the force, or Gnosis, one through excitement, working ones self up emotionally to the point that one orgasms or reduces all stimulus to the point where ones mind is completely passive, both of which methods render insensible for a moment ones conscious awareness and subconscious resistance, both related to the false ego, allowing the magician, through maintaining his concentration {which is the circuit} to funnel the magickal force into the pattern. any questions?

snowchild:

nope.....

Wilderthng:

Sort of a trance state?

HERNE:

am I boring or incomprehensive, or will you just need time to mull this over?

Enigma san:

time...

MoonWillow:

How can you project the force through your will without conscious awareness, which seems to be a bad thing?

HERNE:

Gnosis is amongst things a trance state, or altered state, yes

Xaphan:

is there a separation, a transubstantiation, from the self to the spiritual conduit?

Wilderthng:

Trying to comprehend

BurningFire:

Herne - I find this all very interesting - please continue!

KelticLadeez:

{---------mulling

Enigma san:

Then releasing ego would be fundamental to practicing magick ??

HERNE:

Consciousness is retained, the part of it that focuses,

snowchild:

yes, you can do anything without awareness

LazyWitch:

The awareness of ones ability to affect change by thought control is the basis of most magical practices.

Xaphan:

ok, thanks

Wilderthng:

How would you keep your mind on the magic you wish to perform?

altair:

You are saying that by bypassing the ordinary consciousness through ecstatic methods it is possible to influence the quantum probability waves of space-time

HERNE:

Yes, the ego is a secretion of the rational mind, it has no existence outside of the mind, therefore it cannot directly interface with the other levels of reality

yes altair

Enigma san:

Thank you.

HERNE:

Through exercises that train your mind to focus Wilderthg

did I miss anyone's, any others?

KelticLadeez:

please tell us a few of the exercises to train mind

snowchild:

go on..... please

BurningFire:

Thank you Herne - I must go - but that {what I heard} was wonderful!

HERNE:

Breathing, stilling the body, the mind, single point focusing such as that developed from staring at a candle flame, a ball, anything The rest will be on the BB Burning Fire

KelticLadeez:

yes, I see, thank you Herne

HERNE:

These are all reductionist methods Excitatory methods include dancing, drumming, singing, words, sex flagellation Witches use both

Enigma san:

flagellation ??

HERNE:

Magick whatever excites

Enigma san:

okay...

HERNE:

Perhaps we should back up a bit, I feel that I am not communicating very well. Let us return to reality and define a few things before we proceed any further. I gotta go switch Macros, be back in a minute

Wicca101:

I've had things happen when I was mad... you're saying that any strong emotion can bring about a change then? Such as fear?

LazyWitch:

Was not aware that a frenzy was necessary to practice magick... have never needed it before

HERNE:

yes, fear and anger work very well

Wilderthng:

Any strong emotion?

snowchild:

just don't think of destructive things while mad, very bad habit

truthunter:

good for you LazyW... welcome to reality

HERNE:

An altered state is necessary, these are ways of attaining to it, some don't need them,

LazyWitch:

BB truth

KelticLadeez:

flagellation has been used by Christian priests for centuries

altair:

Psychoactive drugs?

Wilderthng:

Ever been to a revival

HERNE:

objects generate in amounts that are directly proportionate not to which level of reality that they exist upon, but to their size and level of organization or sophistication. The mind, psyche, essential self, soul force, whatever you call it has an innate ability for manipulating Mana, or psychic force and also for locating psychic objects and

LazyWitch:

can you rephrase that, or paraphrase for clarity sake?

HERNE:

You have an innate ability to do magick, your conceptual self is a rather incomplete description of you, it is a persona, particular to this single incarnation, it is an expression of you, when you enter an altered state you access the deeper layers of your psyche, below your conceptual self How do you perceive of your limitations, by your experiences within sensual reality, you are inside your skin, separate, but no, you are not, you are interconnected with everything else in the entire universe, as the Iroquois would say, you are an energy swirl hmm, I forgot where I was one sec please

snowchild:

something is sitting on my shoulder cuddling with my neck, it does that all the time.

truthunter:

{hurry pass the whiskey class}

Red Deer:

sounds like fun, show

snow

HERNE:

Association has two basic forms,

Enigma san:

{s}

snowchild:

help... get them away..... oh well, helps me sleep...

HERNE:

1. Association through similarity in which one or more psychic objects are judged to be alike in some way, and through complimentary or polar association in which two psychic objects are judged to be opposite to each other in their nature or qualities, male and female, black and white, good and evil, military and intelligence.

jess:

{--question.

Enigma san:

LOL

HERNE:

A pair of opposites share belonging to the same scale of measurement and occupy extreme positions, thus love and hate are closely associated. Through similarity can locate along lines of association psychic objects which have no relation to one another in space time, through affinity, which does not mean that you like each other. Similarity can be measured. The similarity between two or more psychic objects can be calculated as a percentile, from 0, to 100%. In magick one has an affinity with things that he or she shares similarity with. Affinity is relative to similarity, remember that, it is very important. Should you conjure a spirit of mixed nature, one that teaches music but also considers everything food do not assume that you share similarity in all manners. Should you get to chummy with it and release it from the triangle so that it might play for you it's rendition of Rhapsody in Blue, it may give you the most excellent rendition of the piece that you ever heard and then it may eat you afterwards. There are good reasons that Wiccans purify their circles, casting out the negative aspects of the elements and why they also define the circle and set up watch towers within it and also why they do banishings afterwards, don't forget that. Many things are attracted to our rites, those of you who have been in a circle cast by persons that despite their doing it by the book were untrained or unqualified and thus unable to raise the wards or circle effectively may have experienced or witnessed what can happen when the circle is not properly set up. Similarly, those of you who take to spiritism, or channeling, or Ouija, or who regard the spirits of the elements as harmless, you to have a care, protect yourself, exercise common sense and listen to your

Xaphan:

also fasting, which, I suppose can excite

LazyWitch:

never thought beating oneself was a sign of increased holiness {g}

HERNE:

no, with drugs you lack control,

LazyWitch:

just a sign of stupidity

Winters dawn:

drugs are stupid

LazyWitch:

agree dawn!!!

HERNE:

OK, since we are here, lets start by defining reality. For the purpose of this discussion let us start off by removing all arbitrary limits from our reality

KelticLadeez:

Herne, what about American Indian, use drugs to enter trances

Xaphan:

when I was in the monastery, we used a flagellum on rare occasion during prayer and meditation

truthunter:

LazyW thank you perhaps you then agree this gardener influence of eastern mystic is not Wicca of old but wiccan of new age

Wilderthng:

mind altering drugs are used by native Americans for visions

LazyWitch:

yes truth, I agree

truthunter:

ahhhhh one who seeks a truth and not gapage of what they can't reach from childhood illusion into life's reality

HERNE:

Within a culture where you have trained guides it is one thing, otherwise you are experimenting using yourself as a guinea pig

LazyWitch:

well put truthunter

HERNE:

Let us say that reality is now totally subjective. By subjective we mean that it order for anything to exist within your reality you must know it, and how do we know anything?

KelticLadeez:

yes, I can see the difference from the Indians use and trying that by yourself thank you Herne

HERNE:

Your welcome Keltic Ladeez

Enigma san:

By believing in it ??

HERNE:

Within our subjective realities the only things that are real to us are the things that we know through direct experience of them. Now in his chapter on the Laws of Magick in his book REAL MAGICK , Isaac Bonewits devoted a scant two paragraphs to the Names of Power, Names of power being basically

truthunter:

if we are still in the question and answer part... then reality is not within your knowledge of it. that is only discussed perception of it... reality the state of it just is seen or not divining it's qualities or attributes, the more of them which are known to you the greater your knowledge of the entity, the greater your ability to borrow from or become it. Whether your subjective reality has any objective reality is irrelevant

Winters dawn:

what about the theory and practice of magick as subscribed to by the orders of the golden dawn??

HERNE:

hold questions please

LazyWitch:

Whoa ... magick is only available by tapping into another entity? Not as I know it

truthunter:

ok Herne

Wilderthng:

So if magic is your reality it should work?

HERNE:

"Divine"? Yes, one may achieve experiential awareness of a phenomena by either direct perception or intuition, they are really the same thing, just different ways of going about things and the latter way establishes a consensual reality. As far as Magick is concerned reality must be said to contain within all facets of your existence in which you may experience. Thus in addition to sensual reality you must add emotive reality, conceptual reality and imaginative reality. Thus the magicians universe consists of these four realities, none of them are superior or inferior to any other as far as the purposes of magick are concerned. Anything having existence upon any level of reality is a reservoir of magickal force, is a psychic object. Magick is the art of employing the magickal force or MANA, that all psychic intuition in all your workings and also with everyone that you meet. The second type of association is interactive, two psychic objects which relate to each other in some way. Psychic objects can interact on all levels of reality. interaction forms the basis of the use of magickal force is associative magick, in the creation of talismans and power places where through some manipulation the magician interacts with an oft times more powerful psychic object than himself to make use of it's Mana as well as it's abilities in some instance in order to produce an effect. Its getting late and we haven't covered half of it, but I'd better let you go. Any questions?

Enigma san:

Could you post the rest on the BB Herne ??

jess:

{--question!!!

HERNE:

yes

Savdtresure:

how do I get to these kinds of BBs

HERNE:

Question jess?

Enigma san:

Then, I must be off... Mundania calls... MP All !!

Savdtresure:

How do u say it evoking or invoking the spirit?

jess:

What do you do when you are doing astral-projection in your sleep, and apparently channeling dark entities through your unshielded self at night... all of this completely unintentionally?

Winters dawn:

i must be off as well, MP all, will be back late tonight, or will return tomorrow

HERNE:

both are correct, they are different

Chat Host:

ummm start shielding

farraa:

chat host im back

HERNE:

Questions please

farraa:

will u teach me something

snowchild:

freak out, then try and control yourself in your sleep, tell yourself you will not do anything

Chat Host:

hang on farraa, wrapping up class

Savdtresure:

what's the difference?

jess:

I've never believed in shielding... I can do it, but I don't trust it well enough to hold up in my sleep.

HERNE:

To envoke is to summon something to be with you; to invoke is to draw it into yourself.

Savdtresure:

thanks

HERNE:

If no one has any more questions?

jess:

Umm... I had a question... scroll up.

Red Deer:

jess... shielding works, and if shields are prepared for both conscious and unconscious times, they will hold

altair:

The deeper self, this corresponds to Jung's collective unconscious?

LazyWitch:

or did Jung try to explain the workings of the Craft altair?

jess:

How do you do that, red Deer?

Red Deer:

well, there are purely mental as well as physical methods, jess

HERNE:

that and the true will, both consciousness and desire are indicative of the essential self

altair:

Well, Jung had some shamanistic training

Chat Host:

Herne, thank you for your offering. Very interesting!

jess:

I was holding some hematite... it burned my hands, I had to run it under water and put it away. Same with my obsidian, both pieces which I've had and worked with for a long time.

LazyWitch:

that explains it Altair, thanks for the info

HERNE:

Your welcome Chatty, do you have any questions?

Chat Host:

not at the moment Herne

KelticLadeez:

well that was very enlightening, thank you Herne

HERNE:

OK, then I release control of your Television sets back to you

Xaphan:

lol